Tuesday, November 2, 2010

Tuesday’s Tip, Sadly, Sometimes Ya Just Gotta Roll With It OR Review, Review, Review.

Copyright 2010, CABS for Reflections From the Fence

"Sadly, sometimes ya just gotta roll with it." "This is how I deal with conflicting data/dates...." "Researching in the real world."   "Review, review, review."

These are snipets of discussions I have shared with students and clients and other researchers over the years. I know, we all want EXACT dates, perfect to almost the hour, however, in my "real" world of researching, that does not always happen.

This post is based on my response to a querie from a fellow who was writing a family story, but, readily admitted he was no researcher/genealogist and he was confused about all the conflicting dates he was finding, especially in those all important birth and death dates. I have edited my responses (a little) for this post, and they are typed in black. Notes in parentheses have been added here and were not part of the original conversation and they are typed in blue.

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Dates are frequently found to be in error or not in agreement.

(Back story on the death date, my author stated his subject died mid January 1915, but, the death certificate stated burial was in January 1916. His question, what to believe.)

Lets start with the death date, I see that as one of those things that happens at the new year, how many of us have written the old year, in this case 1915, for weeks into the new year, which in this case is 1916. Yep, seen it, I don't think it is a huge deal. If you can find or have an obituary for this person, is the obit published in 15 or 16? That would be the clincher for me.

(Note: of course, this becomes a big deal if you cannot locate an obituary. Also see * below.)

(Back story on the birth year, he had several dates, all stated the month to be October, but the day and the years differed. The years differed by 8 years.)

As for the birth date, I have people in my data base, in my research, that report their age in every census differently. Birth dates, death dates and even marriage dates are frequently reported as this birth date is, off on the actual day and year, but the month agrees.

From my point of view, for the birth dates, I would report them,  but give each some source data, like this:

"From the 1900 census we find his birth reported as Oct. 1846,
but on his marriage application he states he was born Oct. 1845."

Also note, that if someone else reported that birth date, they may have made an error in the reporting.

(Note: Now that I re-read the original email, I note that the first birth date and the marriage date would mean that our dude was 14 at the time of his first marriage, not likely, possible, but not likely. I neglected to see this the first time around and therefore did not mention it to our book writer.)

Trouble with this sport, even tho what we really want is exact dates, what we frequently get is approximations, guesses and conflicting data.

Sadly, sometimes ya just gotta roll with it.

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And thus ended my response to our book writer. I never heard back from him, maybe my "gotta roll with it" response was unsettling, I have no idea.



* As usual, while writing this post, the process of review kicked in. As this death occurred in Michigan in 1915, I decided to see if I could locate the death certificate at SeekingMichigan. And, I did, and what I read on the certificate said, this fellow died in 1916 and was buried in 1916. Don't cha just love hand written documents?? Yes, I immediately emailed my find and my opinion of it to the original researcher. As he had only asked for opinions in his original email I had not looked for any records. I probably should have, but, in my defense, the original email came while Man and I were racing home from Alabama, wasn't the best of times for ole Carol.

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Monday, November 1, 2010

Madness Monday, Ladies, Ladies, Your'e Driving Me Mad

Copyright 2010, CABS for Reflections From the Fence

I have two ladies in my research that are driving me wild, and have done so for YEARS.

Elusive Ella and Mary of Many Marriages. 

I have talked a bit about Mary.  I gave a hint about her in the post Tombstone Tuesday, Mary A Lashbrook.  Briefly, Mary was either married or seriously involved/living with at least 5 gentlemen.  We know a lot about Mary, but then again, there are these HUGE holes in her history.  She really has led us down a research path.

Then, there is Elusive Ella.  She really is Rebecca's Elusive Ella, and neither of us will admit to just HOW many hours of research and frustration we have spent on Ella.

STOP THE PRESSES!  HOLD EVERYTHING!! 

BREAKTHROUGH NEWS!!

As I frequently do when I am writing, I stopped writing and went searching.  Went right over to FamilySearch and typed in Ella's name, and in less than 15 minutes I found 3 dates and places for events in her life. 

Ella, well, she is a bit of a fibber, we have known that.  She says she married Riley J. Bliss, only no marriage has been found.  She told her son that Riley died in a construction accident, but reading of a LOT of newspapers failed to turn up any articles about that accident.  Riley was known to be alive several years after this reported construction accident.  Oh, and we do know that Riley was married to another woman, a first cousin of Ella's.  Does not surprise us, this is Elusive Ella.

She had 2 sons, one we know as James Jay Bliss, born 1892-93 in Chicago, Illinois, only we have never been able to locate a record.  Until NOW!  Not only did I find the record, but there is an image attached! His name on the record, John Jay Bliss. Does not surprise us, this is Elusive Ella.   Happy Dance!

Her other son, Frank R. (for Reynolds?) Bliss was born in New York City, we had a date of October 4, 1887.  Well, I found that birth as well (index only, no image, required follow thru has been noted).  Only the date on the transcribed information gives his birthday as May 4, 1887.   Does not surprise us, this is Elusive Ella.  Happy Dance!

Ella must have married, besides maybe marrying Riley J. Bliss, as she is known in official court documents as the bride of  J.D. Reynolds. Only J.D., never a given name for that "J".  Court records concerning Ella and her father in Rockingham County Virginia refer to her as Ella Reynolds until about 1893. 

So, who is J.D. and did she really marry him?? Until now, we could NOT locate any marriage record. However, this time I did find one on an index for Manhattan, New York City, New York. It is dated January 2, 1887 according to the transcription (again, it is well noted, GET a copy of this record).    J.D. is, according to the transcription, Joseph D., and even his parent's names are indicated (well, sorta, his mother's name is incomplete, must have been hard to read for the indexers). Does not surprise us, this is Elusive Ella.  Happy Dance!

Of course, we still have conflicting information and more questions.  Frank R. Bliss is born only a few months after his mother married Joseph D. Reynolds.  Hmmm.  Frank's birth index transcription names his father as Riley J. Bliss, NOT Joseph D. Reynolds.  We have always wondered about that middle initial of "R.", wouldn't you??  But, of course, this is Elusive Ella. 

So, the search for the facts of Elusive Ella's life continue, but we are 3 steps closer.  And, Rebecca and I are doing a bit of a Happy Dance.  (OK, truth be known, we are doing more than a BIT, we are outright boogieing down!  WAHOO!)





**Stay tuned for a future post about Mary of Many Marriage, AKA MOMM.

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